If I were one of her competitors, I would say it [Synthworld] has gotten out of hand under her watch.

But technically, again, Costigan empowered her. She's his High Secretary, so I think her counterargument is, I was doing my job, because I was enacting the policies that Costigan wanted to do. So she's not throwing him under the bus, but just saying, she's a soldier, she's doing what she was told to do.

Yeah, also, he hasn't endorsed her. So she can say whatever she wants.

And who's to say that she wasn't privately saying, Kelos, we need to cut this Synthworld crap, and him going, no, I like it. I like $30,000 pens.