Now, you're a tools programmer, but you don't have a programming degree?

No, I do not. I originally went to school for animation. Couldn't really find any jobs when I came out of college, and then found a technical artist position, which is a little bit like animation. You do the rigging and stuff like that. And through that, that's where I learned about programming and Python, and I started making tools for the art team, and then I built up that knowledge, and now we're here, tools programmer.